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Robin Arnott

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Mind from Chaos
« on: August 08, 2013, 11:33:44 AM »

After playing SoundSelf, many players describe their experience as though they were interacting with another aware entity. "I did this, and then SoundSelf responded like this, so I did that too...." That's the result of player's perceiving the game responding to the subtleties of their vocal expression in as delicate and attentive a way as another mind might. And while we try to accommodate for nuances in player expression like that, it'd be impossible for us to dream up scenarios adapting to the whole range of vocal expression and intention behind them.

So instead we cheat: We take a limited range of player expression (tonality, rhythm of breath, "grittiness" of voice and vowel shape other ones we're working on) and obscure the way they affect the play experience. The result is that players instinctively know that the audio/visual dance is responding to them, and they make the assumption that it is responding to whatever aspect of themselves they are focusing on at that time.

The magic lies in that assumption, and my job as a designer is to feed players with enough datapoints to validate any assumption they may have. The player is smarter than the game, but the game's responsiveness invites the player to project their own mind into it, and to then imagine that what they are looking upon is a separate mind, not simply a reflection of their own. It's the same mental process as anthropomorphising a beloved pet, and it's what we're talking about when we describe the game as "a meditative experience."


nyaww, look how happy the Dolphin is!

For a certain kind of game, discovering the truth behind the datapoints is the Eureka moment that the game is designed to facilitate. Thanks in part to Jonathan Blow's in-depth discussions of his design values, this seems to have crystallized into a discipline of game designed that has taken flight in indie games like Braid, Antichamber, Storyteller, and many more.

But for another kind of game, that Eureka moment breaks the game's contract with the player. In SoundSelf, the conceit is that you are dancing with another mind, and if a player were to discover the rules that govern the behavior of that other "mind", the assumed depth would collapse entirely.

In narrative-driven AAA games, I see this contract broken all the time, and as a gamer I can't see past it any more. The AAA is getting better at this every year as they (slowly) climb their way out of the uncanny valley and include simulations of increasingly complex systems (e.g. anything pretending to be human) into their gameplay. Unfortunately, they compromise their promise of immersion as they appeal to the gamer's desire to conquer those systems.

To conquer a system and use it to their advantage (a trope of gameplay almost completely taken for granted in videogames), the player has to understand the intricacies of how it works. As any sociopath eventually discovers though, this just doesn't work with minds. Minds are too chaotic - the best we can do is adjust our assumptions and meet that chaos with our own.


To create a convincing simulation of mind, it must not fall into predictable "game-able" behavior. In "The Last of Us," each behavior pattern I came to fully grok from the AI reduced them from presumably aware entities, to merely cardboard buttons to be pressed. It pulled me out of the story. 1

Fortunately for game designers - humans tend to project their own mind wherever they both (a) identify a responsive system and (b) cannot fully understand the rules governing that system. We don't need to design a complex mind to simulate one - we can get away with designing responsive systems that also cannot be completely understood. Like reading meaning into a random Tarot draw, or seeing faces in the gnarles of wood, people will see mind everywhere with the right balance of predictability and chaos.

1 SPOILER ALERT: It could be argued that in "The Last of Us" the descent of the player's perception of the game's enemies from aware-entitites to cardboard-cutout-buttons-to-press effectively mirrors Joel's narrative descent into sociopathy, but I sort of don't buy that.

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Re: Mind from Chaos
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2014, 07:49:27 AM »
Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )

can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??

if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?

that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
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for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.

So you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says, "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy.
Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.

( now maybe...maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).

if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )

same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.
I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.

Why should you waste your time?
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all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.
im not talking these all things from my own.
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in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.

cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.

tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.
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if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit sex, No gambling, No drugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )

5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )

and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ".
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If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit sex, no gambling, no drugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.

Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and be happy.

if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.
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Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
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every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )
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if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( www.asitis.com {Bookmark it })
read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. ) purpose of human life is not to live like animal cuz every`1 at present time doing 4 thing which are sleeping, eating, sex & fear. purpose of human life is to become freed from Birth after birth, Old Age, Disease, and Death.